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Samwise - There and Back Again

Posted by on 12/07 at 08:39 PM
Samwise is a minimalist cruising proa, which is really the only kind of proa there should be, IMHO. The only thing not minimal is the performance - the proa’s raison d'etre. The basic idea is reliable and cozy camp cruising in the Pacific NW - where the water is generally frigid and the air is generally tolerable.

Sam’s godfathers include Matt Layden's Paradox and Rob Denney's Harry, while a host of uncles include Phil Bolger, Peter Spronk, Dick Newick and Ralph Munroe. He (all proas are masculine) features simple plywood construction, an enclosed sailing cockpit, plenty of deck space, endless conversations at the dock, and the ability to go there and back again.



The crew helms from an enclosed sailing cabin - which is a nice feature in the Pacific NW and its nearly iceberg laden waters. Laugh at the freezing spray as you drive like an arrow to windward! Mock the waves as they surge impotently against your plexiglass shielding! Unlike tacking craft, proa crew have no need to make the treacherous trek to the other side with every tack. You are always on the good side of a proa.

In the unlikely event of pleasant sailing weather, you can slide open the hatches, or sit atop the flat cabin top, or even sprawl out on the trampoline, catching the sun. The tramp will also make a fine place to pitch a tent for overnighting - if a real double berth is required.

The leeward hull is the load bearer, so it stretches out to 24' of lean, wake-cutting form. The windward hull is the ballast, which makes do with 18' of LWL. Skilled sailors will fly the windward hull at every opportunity. Being flat-bottomed in sharpie style, the hope is that it will plane if given half the chance.

The free-standing schooner rig makes for a criminally low center of effort, while the standing lugs create a powerful yet balanced, easily handled sail that requires no purchase on the sheets - which comes in handy during a shunt. The forward lug is rigged with the mast to windward (its most aerodynamically advantageous position) while the aft lug is set opposite, which moves the combined CE well forward (a desirable thing on a proa).

Leeway is prevented by a central, pivoting leeboard mounted on the leeward hull, and steerage is provided by fore and aft "dagger" rudders. The hope is that in the unfortunate event of a grounding, the deep leeboard will hit first, pivoting gently out of harms way as it stops the boat, whilst leaving the delicate rudder intact. As usual with proa designs, the rudders are sketchy... at best. From model testing, I found a schooner rigged proa such as this will balance and self-steer on most courses by sail trim alone - Sam, by nature, is a virtuous course keeper. Be that as it may, a real cruising boat needs a real rudder. Suggestions are welcome.

The proa's beam is retracted to trailer width via telescoping aluminum beams (as an option, Jim Shanahan has proposed an ingenious hinging mechanism).

Note: This sketch is a cartoon only. No plans are available.

Comments

  • That’s a very cool proposition.
    Congratulations?
    Do you consider drawing a complete set of plans?
    Cheers,

    Peter

    Posted by  on  12/08  at  08:03 AM
  • Thanks Peter. Currently I’m just fishing for interest, and of course, some major details are still to be worked out.

    -Michael

    Posted by Editor  on  12/08  at  09:12 AM
  • Nice cartoon Michael!  I’ve followed proas via the yahoo group for about 4 years now and this has got to be one of the coolest microcruiser ideas yet.  I thought the little Harry concept with the poptop was cool, but this is really nice--especially as it is deisgned for more varied temps.  I am enamored with multis of all configurations, and think this is one of the more interesting concepts to get inked yet.  A microcruiser for the proa set!  Telescopic beams and a trailerable width would be really neat as well as you indicate.  Consider my interest piqued--even from a cat/tri oriented guy.  this looks like the boat that John harris should have brought to the EC all those years ago--except for the dagger/rudder thing.  With the weight to windward, the boat should have huge righting ability. Nice ideas--I hope you pursur them through the plan stage.

    Dan

    Posted by  on  12/08  at  11:34 AM
  • Yes, its’s allways about the steering, isn’t it?
    But you might crack the nut.
    Good luck! I’ll be following.
    Cheers,
    Peter

    Posted by  on  12/08  at  01:44 PM
  • Nice sketch. It looks like this design might be a good candidate for Jerry Walker’s Swingo rudders. Wharram style gaff-wingsails would reduce drag but need more sheet purchase.

    I hope this design progresses further.

    Leon.

    Posted by  on  12/09  at  03:22 AM
  • Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. Yea, those pesky rudders. Something like the Swingo rudders, or kayak style flip-ups might work. If the rudders are mounted way out on the sterns/bows they would have a large moment arm to pivot the boat around the board, which means they could be relatively small.

    Jim proposed mounting them on the crossbeams, next to the lee hull - modified kick-up beach cat rudders. If so, I might want to move the beams further apart.

    Posted by Editor  on  12/09  at  09:25 AM
  • Very nice!
    But what about something more efficient then lug sails on the wrong side of the mast? http://www.balancedrig.com/description.html

    /Gunnar

    Posted by  on  12/09  at  10:36 AM
  • Hi,

    Sorry, but to me it looks like a pregnant guppy.

    The VAKA should have an L/B-ratio of at least 20, and the AMA at least about 30.
    Otherwise Drag increases, espaciallyon on the AMA, so steering will only work only when flying the AMA.
    But to fly this AMA, you need a lot of wind, i beleive about min 25 knots.

    Therefore i trhink, that only very slim hulls can do it well.
    And for exampla: one single bunk needs about 0,6m width, and you will end up with 12m (40ft) overall lenghth to be “smooth to the sea”.

    If somebody is thinking about proas, he should never ever think in those categories like “max lenghth” or “max width”.

    Even the boats with a double lenghth will be cheaper then the all of the monos or cats.

    Just the mooring is more expensive then, but there are solutions, even in central europe.

    If you dont like this philosophy, which has been conducted the last 20 years, and with some own Proa trials, foreget the Proa concept for yourself,
    You will end up with a “pregnant guppy”

    Best regards

    John

    Posted by  on  12/12  at  08:56 AM
  • Rudder Problem

    If the hulls have really a plane bottom - Quote: “Being flat-bottomed in sharpie style ...”, it will be an good place for a drum styled rudder.

    Advantages:
    + 360 degree use
    + retractable
    + hydrodynamic
    + parallel/serial control
    Disadvantages:
    - bearing ?
    - costs ?

    I show some sketches about at my homepage: http://www.multihull.de/proa/proakonz.htm#RUDER
    Sorrily the text is in German, but the pics are international ;-).

    Best regards
    Othmar

    Posted by Othmar  on  12/15  at  05:20 AM
  • Hi ya John,
    your comment above needs some response, I feel. The clearest way to address your points is for me to insert my comments in a copy of your post with my responses in brackets.

    (You wrote)
    Hi,

    Sorry, but to me it looks like a pregnant guppy.

    (The aesthetics obviously don’t please you.  I could say I’m sorry about that, as you did, but I’d be lying)

    The VAKA should have an L/B-ratio of at least 20, and the AMA at least about 30.
    Otherwise Drag increases, espaciallyon on the AMA, so steering will only work only when flying the AMA.

    (Rob Denney’s work conclusively demolishes that contention)

    But to fly this AMA, you need a lot of wind, i beleive about min 25 knots.

    (That’s good for a mini cruiser, no?)

    Therefore i trhink, that only very slim hulls can do it well.
    And for exampla: one single bunk needs about 0,6m width, and you will end up with 12m (40ft) overall lenghth to be “smooth to the sea”.

    (How did you miss the fact that this boat is designed to be trailered?)

    If somebody is thinking about proas, he should never ever think in those categories like “max lenghth” or “max width”.

    (Unless he wants to be able to trailer it?)

    Even the boats with a double lenghth will be cheaper then the all of the monos or cats

    Just the mooring is more expensive then, but there are solutions, even in central europe.

    (Samwise was not designed to moor in Europe.  Where did you get that idea from?)

    If you dont like this philosophy, which has been conducted the last 20 years, and with some own Proa trials, foreget the Proa concept for yourself,
    You will end up with a “pregnant guppy”

    (....Words fail me. !!!)

    Posted by  on  12/16  at  04:05 PM
  • Michael,

    Sweet concept and drawing.  I think this would be a very interesting fast mini cruiser for the Great Lakes as well.

    Posted by  on  12/28  at  06:13 AM
  • This would be a great boat!  I’d be afraid of damaging those rudders though.  It would comprimise the appearance but not the performance to go with some sort of kick-up rudders hung outboard.

    Good luck and keep up the good work!

    Regards,
    Rob

    Posted by Rob Sky  on  03/11  at  10:36 AM
  • Thanks for the comments, development is ongoing. See Samwise 2 and 3.

    Posted by  on  03/13  at  09:30 PM

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